What follows is a shorter version of my earlier post ‘A Fundamental Flaw in the Thesis: A Universe from Nothing’^{1}

Scientists have found that the total energy of the universe is zero. This one single fact has made many physicists jubilant, because now with one single stroke they can completely eliminate the creator God. The total energy of the universe being zero, why should it require any creation by an outside agent? It could have easily come out of nothing due to the quantum energy fluctuation in a void, no God being needed. But zero-energy universe has its own problem too. This is solely due to Einstein. Einstein’s special theory of relativity has shown that matter and energy are equivalent and his general theory has shown that space, time and matter are so interlinked that there cannot be any space and time without matter; similarly there cannot be any matter without space and time. Now think of it:

- Total energy of the universe is zero;
- Total energy being zero, total matter will also be zero due to the matter-energy equivalence;
- Total matter being zero, total space-time should also have to be zero, because as per GR there cannot be any space and time without matter;
- But we also know that the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate;
- Therefore the pertinent question will be: how does the total space-time of an ever-expanding universe always remain zero?

If science cannot provide a suitable answer to this question, then the naturalistic world-view of modern science will prove to be inadequate for explaining the real world.

The above is as per the claim of the scientists that the universe has originated from nothing. The other side of the coin is that if the universe as a whole is really a nothing, then only it can come from nothing. That means before making such a claim that the entire universe has actually originated from nothing, scientists should at least show that the universe as a whole is really a nothing. That means they should at least show that not only its total matter and energy, but its total space-time as well, is also zero. As they have not yet been able to show this, so here their claim is not a justified claim.

Reference:

- https://sekharpal.wordpress.com/2015/10/23/a-fundamental-flaw-in-the-thesis-a-universe-from-nothing-part-I/

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Precision about what you say

“1)Total energy of the universe is zero;

2)Total energy being zero, total matter will also be zero due to the matter-energy equivalence;

3)Total matter being zero, total space-time should also have to be zero”

The first point is OK but the second point is incorrect.

It is not because the total energy of the universe is zero that the total matter is also zero. Actually matter counts for positive energy and gravity for negative energy. And it is only when you add the positive energy of matter with the negative energy of gravity that you end up with a total energy of zero for the universe.

Matter in itsel has definitely a non zero value in the universe and as a result the third point about space-time that should be zero does not follow.

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There is some controversy about this point as to whether we can say that the total matter of the universe is zero or not.

First I will give a quote from scientist Victor J Stenger:

‘E=mc2 says matter and energy are the same entity. Since E=0, the total matter of the universe is zero. Zero does not have to come from anything.

‘Now, if by matter you just mean the equivalent of rest energy, then that came from gravitational energy during the expansion in the early universe.’

– Vic Stenger, having been asked for a simple explanation to the question, “where did all the matter come from?” to a letter to Cliff Walker (September 11, 2001).

(Source: Positive atheism quotes of Victor J. Stenger)

Now I will give my own reason.

I think you have already understood my point as to why the beginning of the universe will always mean that it will begin from zero space, zero time, zero matter and zero energy. Therefore the total space, total time, total matter and total energy of the universe should always remain zero, as otherwise one will have to explain as to whence appear the extra space, extra time, extra matter and extra energy that were not already there at the beginning. Is there any divine storekeeper somewhere out there that keeps a store of space, time, matter and energy at some place and supplies them to our universe as and when required? As that cannot be the case, so the total space, total time, total matter and total energy of the universe should always remain zero if it has began from null value of them. This is as per logic.

Now we can give scientific reason also as to why the total matter of the universe will have to be zero.

You have written: ‘Actually matter counts for positive energy and gravity for negative energy. And it is only when you add the positive energy of matter with the negative energy of gravity that you end up with a total energy of zero for the universe.’

Now the question is: can energy be directly deducted from matter? Or, can matter be directly deducted from energy? Shall we not have to bring both of them in the same category? So before making such a deduction or subtraction we will have to convert either matter into energy or energy into matter. In your case matter has been converted into energy and this energy is treated as positive energy. From this positive energy negative energy of gravitation is subtracted.

Now instead of converting matter into energy, if we convert negative gravitational energy into matter, then we will get negative matter. If we now subtract this negative matter from the positive matter, then we will arrive at the total zero matter of the universe.

Actually I cannot understand if total energy of the universe is zero and if matter and energy are also equivalent, then why we cannot say that the total matter of the universe is also zero.

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I may try to debunk your stuff but I quite enjoy your articles actually where present arguments for your viewpoint

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