Are Atheists Hypocrites?

The following is taken from a YouTube comment thread:

Atheist

So precious how theists all try to claim an infinite regress is impossible even though it isn’t but here’s this thing about human linguistics that makes even the idea of it absurd.

So obviously the limitations of human language prove an infinite regress is impossible.

Me to Atheist

Here, the question is not whether an infinite regress is possible or impossible. An infinite regress is non-observable and therefore, unscientific.

Below I am going to present an infinite regress of some sort. Please tell me how you will convince others that there is really such an infinite regress in nature.

Let us start from the earth.

Earth exists within the solar system.

The solar system exists within the Milky Way galaxy.

The Milky Way galaxy exists within the local cluster of galaxies. This cluster again exists within some super-cluster of galaxies. This super-cluster of galaxies exists within the universe that contains trillions of other galaxies.

The universe exists within the multiverse that contains trillions of other universes.

Cosmologists usually stop at this level; they do not go beyond the multiverse.

But there is no binding that we would have to stop here at the multiverse level at all.

So we would say that this multiverse exists within some super-multiverse that contains trillions of other multiverses.

Then we would again say that this super-multiverse exists within some super-duper multiverse that contains trillions of other super-multiverses.

Then we would again say that this super-duper multiverse exists within some supra-multiverse that contains trillions of other super-duper multiverses.

Then we would again say that this supra-multiverse exists within some supra-dupra multiverse that contains trillions of other supra-multiverses.

And so on and on ad infinitum.

We know earth exists. Therefore, there will also be an infinite regress of this sort:

Universe – Multiverse – Super-multiverse – Super-duper multiverse – Supra-multiverse – Supra-dupra multiverse – up to infinity.

If you are in favor of the infinite regress here, then you will have to give evidence that there is really such an infinite regress in nature. Will you please tell me how you, or anybody from the scientific community, will give that evidence?

Atheist to Me

That’s idiotic… The whole idea that you can’t have an infinite regress is an artifact of human linguistics and people deliberately misunderstanding Zeno’s paradox.

I don’t have to prove shit. You can feel free to try to disprove an infinite regress but I’m not going to waste my time playing with you fundies. Do your own god damn homework for once!

Better yet, provide some actual reason why it should be impossible.

Me to Atheist

Your comment has very nicely exposed the double standard of atheists.

In the case of God, you people will say that only logic and arguments are not sufficient; some concrete evidence is required.

But in the case of the infinite regress, you will forget your own dictum. Here, you will say that logic and arguments are sufficient; no evidence is required and nothing is to be proved.

In the case of the infinite regress, you atheists are blind believers.

You atheists are hypocrites.

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Are Scientists Biased?

Mathematical equations of SR and their implications are very simple to understand; one’s limited intelligence is sufficient for that purpose and no spoon-feeding from the big peers is required in this case. These equations show that at the speed of light time totally stops and that even infinite distance becomes zero for light. For light this universe is zero millimeters long and light takes zero time for traversing the entire span of the universe, starting from its one end to the other end. If certain portion of space is filled up with light only, then due to these properties of light volume of that space will be zero and time will also stop there. As zero volume means no space, so in this way a spaceless and timeless state will obtain. If the entire universe is filled up with light only, then in that case the volume of the entire universe will also be zero. That is why it can be said that SR has shown how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless.

Now it can be shown that a creator God will always be spaceless, timeless and immaterial. Now what does it mean that the universe has been created by God? As universe primarily means its space, time, matter and energy, so universe created by God will mean its space, time, matter and energy have been created by God. That will further mean that before creation by God there was no space, no time, no matter and no energy. That will again mean that God was in no space and time and that God did not contain any matter and energy. That is the reason as to why theists always describe their God as spaceless, timeless and immaterial. There are some atheists who failing to grasp this simple logic raise question about this spaceless, timeless and immaterial God. But a creator God can never be anything other than spaceless, timeless and immaterial, because this is the one and only one logically possible consequence of being the creator of a universe.

As we have shown a creator God will always be spaceless and timeless and as SR has also shown how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless, so from this it can be said that mathematics of SR suggests it is highly probable that there is a God. Here we are not at all saying that mathematics of SR shows that there is a God; rather we are merely saying that mathematics of SR suggests it is highly probable that there is a God. So nobody should misunderstand us here, either intentionally or unintentionally.

This case is exactly similar to the case of the multiverse. Up till now there is no demonstrable evidence that there are other universes beyond our universe. But there is the inflation theory and its mathematical equations. Here scientists claim that the equations of inflation theory suggest that it is highly probable that there are other universes. If equations of inflation theory can suggest that probably there are other universes, then following the path taken by the scientists we can also equally claim here that equations of SR suggest that probably there is a God.

Scientists consider multiverse as highly probable, because mathematics of inflation theory suggests there may be other universes. But these same scientists refuse to consider God as probable, although in this case also there is the mathematical support of SR behind this God. This shows that scientists are heavily biased and partial in their search for truth.

If one supports the claim made by the scientists about the probable existence of the multiverse, then how will he/she oppose our claim about the probable existence of God, without being partial and biased?

Can there be any physics for black holes if there is no black hole in the universe?

 

Existence of Anything can ultimately point to God.

In an earlier article¹ I have written that God cannot be defined, but that God’s attributes can only be described. And the complete description of this God is this: God is spaceless, timeless, changeless, immortal, all-pervading, one, unborn, uncreated, without any beginning, without an end, everlasting, non-composite and immaterial.

Here I will show that the existence of anything will ultimately point to this God.

If something exists at all, then it can be shown that that will imply that something also exists that is spaceless and timeless, as otherwise there will be an infinite regress.

Now let us start from the earth. Earth exists within the solar system. The solar system exists within the Milky Way galaxy. The Milky Way galaxy exists within the local cluster of galaxies. This cluster again exists within some super-cluster of galaxies. This super-cluster of galaxies exists within the universe. The universe exists within the multiverse that contains billions of other universes. Cosmologists usually stop at this level, they do not want to go beyond the multiverse. But there is no binding that we will have to stop here at the multiverse level at all. So we will say that this multiverse exists within some super-multiverse that contains billions of other multiverses. Then we will again say that this super-multiverse exists within some super-duper multiverse that contains billions of other super-multiverses. Then we will again say that this super-duper multiverse exists within some supra-multiverse that contains billions of other super-duper multiverses. Then we will again say that this supra-multiverse exists within some supra-dupra multiverse that contains billions of other supra-multiverses. And so on and on ad infinitum. But is it possible that we can go on like this indefinitely without stopping somewhere? Can there be an infinite regress in this way? So we will have to stop at some level. But at whichever level we will stop, we will have to say that nothing is there beyond this or that level. So if we decide that we will stop at the universe level, then we will have to say that nothing is there beyond the universe. That means the universe as a whole will be neither in any space nor in any time, because there will be nothing outside the universe. If we stop at the multiverse level, then we will have to say that the multiverse as a whole is neither in any space nor in any time, because there will be nothing outside the multiverse. In each case the entity being as a whole neither in space nor in time will be thus spaceless and timeless. Being spaceless and timeless it will also be changeless, immortal, all-pervading, one, unborn, uncreated, without any beginning, without an end, everlasting and non-composite. This is because all these properties are the default properties of something that is neither in space nor in time.²

Here I want to add one more point. Some atheists argue that they are not afraid of an infinite regress and so they do not require any kind of god/God for stopping this regress. But in reality infinity has no meaning, it is a logical absurdity. If we start counting from 1 and if we want to count up to infinity, then we will never be able to do that even if we are given an infinite amount of time and even if we continue this counting generation after generation. Similarly if we imagine that we are having an infinite past, then from that infinitely past moment this present moment could never be arrived at, because there would always be an infinite number of moments ahead of that infinitely past moment that would have to be elapsed before this present moment could be reached.

Reference:

1. https://sekharpal.wordpress.com/2016/07/14/god-cannot-be-defined-gods-attributes-can-only-be-described/
2. https://sekharpal.wordpress.com/2015/10/23/who-created-god/